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Tired of arguing with people who tie a fetus' "right to life" with the conditions of its conception. Either it has full right-to-life regardless as to its conceptual variables or it doesn't.

2021.12.03 21:52 shamelessNnameless Tired of arguing with people who tie a fetus' "right to life" with the conditions of its conception. Either it has full right-to-life regardless as to its conceptual variables or it doesn't.

Had an argument today with someone over abortion. Of course, his view was pro-forced birth. He responded to a previous comment of mine that said :
I cannot be forced against my will to allow the use of my body or an organ in my body for the best interest of another entity. Period. Regardless as to whether it is my fault that other needs the use of that organ to survive or not. Someone can't run me over drunk in their car and rupture my kidneys and be forced to give me one of theirs, even if I die as a result. It's called Autonomy and if you had ever taken a philosophy class in college you would've learned that this debate-philosophically speaking-is settled despite the time of personhood or conception. Making it a moot point along with your opinion.
He said: "Not a good analogy here, the woman is not some totally unwilling participant that was struck by the pregnancy lightning bolt. The pro-life camp generally holds that if the woman was a willing participant in sex then the risk of becoming pregnant was inherent and adopted willingly, to extend the right to end a life that you willingly created is where the problem lies."
I just kind of lost it with:
You could have said it in much fewer words the core that of your argument is punishing the woman for having the sex in the first place. It doesn't matter if her "irresponsible actions" created it or not. Either the fetus has absolute right to life no matter if it was raped into existence or the person had consensual sex with their boyfriend without protection or it does not. The fact that you are tying the fetus' life to the variables under which it was conceived proves you have no point to your argument other than giving the woman her "just due" (owing the use of her body as an incubator for a non-autonomous being she may not want to carry and birth) simply because her "mistake" is the only reason it exists in the first place and she "deserves" to have her body used.
The risk of getting pregnant as an argument of automatically assumed responsibility for the result is a convenient argument to make for someone to whom it can never happen to- whom most oftentimes is the initiator of regular sex or they leave and get it somewhere else if not often enough. Easy enough comment to make for someone who'd never be on the receiving end of a forced pregnancy and birth. People like that are the same ones who do not think sex is just for having babies until they're free to use the "should've kept your legs closed" argument as if they've only ever stuck it to someone with full intent of becoming a father every time.. Of course there's a risk. Every time. And every time there is a man wanting to stick his penis in the woman whom has zero physical risk to his physical body or agency in the form of the torture of pregnancy and childbirth.
***Gestures broadly at everything***
Look at our economy. Look at the political unrest. Look at the climate going to shit. The lack of community support and "fuck you, got mine" mentality everywhere. The lack of worker's rights and protections in the U.S.
Daycare is 3,000$ a month. 37 million of us don't have healthcare. The U.S. has some of the worst maternal mortality rates in the world, and there is NO paid maternity leave or protections for women to not get fired after having to take 6 weeks off to recover from a C-section. . Having a baby costs 20 thousand dollars and is a torturous suffering of the body, mind, spirit, pocketbook and work/life balance. Many woman die. They get gestational diabetes that ends up not going away. Pre eclampsia. Full episiotomies where you are sliced open from hole to hole and the baby is forcibly ripped from your body that must be reconstructed inside and out. They piss and shit themselves when they sneeze for the rest of their life. The stomach ends up looking like a stretched-out trash bag. Some women's teeth and hair all fall out from calcium and hormonal imbalances and deficiencies. Heartburn so bad the acid eats through your stomach create lifetime of ulcers. A HUGE part of AUTONOMY is having the right and ability to minimize and avoid personal suffering. You think that your assumed moral high ground and feelings of being sorry for the little unwanted fetus trump my will to avoid an absolutely torturous ruination of my own life? Tell me...All of that and more for WHAT?
People like you sit there and have the AUDACITY to think you have a right or the fetus has a right to force me to into any and all of that. What? Why?! Because I kept my husband satisfied so he won't leave me or go fuck a whore and bring a case of HiV home? Women are damned if we do, damned if we don't. And the thing that sickens me is your viewpoint comes entire from one of privilege (if you are a man), because it can never be forced upon you, or straight up ignorance, lack of education, brainwashing and assumed moral superiority (if you are a woman.) All for what?? You expect me to go through all of that for WHAT? Some unwanted little shit who shouldn't even exist that's just going to get tossed into an orphanage and age out with no family, no love, no support, no hope for a decent future; knowing that their mom didn't want their ass? You think that baby just slides out with a GRUNT?
I'll tell you something, though. Before anyone like you or your ilk ever impose any of that on me against my will, I would rip that fucking fetus out of my own vagina and strangle it with the umbilical cord before I'd give you the satisfaction of a forced birth because of your moronic "right to life" bullshit.
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